718, 981, 970 Panamera, etc. that Porsche owners actually feel when they drive them.
Published on: 2020.09.25
About Porsche
My wife and I have many friends who drive Porsches, and we have had many opportunities to test drive Porsches at dealers, so I guess we are one of those who drive a lot of Porsches in the general public's opinion, but stillOf course, I have not driven all the Porsche models, so there are a lot of things I don't know and don't understand about Porsche.There are.
In the meantime, comments from various Porsche owners that we receive on our blog are "I see, that's what Porsches of this model and year do.and I'm learning a lot. We have also received a lot of positive feedback from Porsche owners all over Japan who haveInformation obtained through actual daily use and driving on various roads is gathered on the blog.I am so thankful that this is the case.
So, since I know that many of you blog readers are considering purchasing a Porsche, I decided to compile a list of recent comments to help you in that process. We hope you will find it useful.
Porsche Owner's Voice
Comparison of 911 (991 first half) and 981 Boxster
I drive a 981 Boxster S, left manual transmission, and my father had a 991.1 S and I was allowed to drive it as I pleased.So, I would like to make a comparison between the Boxster and the 911.
Both cars have 20", PASM, iron brakes, PS4S tires, and they're both under about the same conditions.In terms of simple thrust, I think the 911 is stiffer.(I almost don't mind, though, because the sense of convergence afterwards is so good.)
In addition, theThe ride quality of the 911 changed a lot depending on the tires.I started out with certified Pzero, then midway through I wore non-certified PS4S (because they didn't have the size), and now I'm wearing certified PS4S with the rear sized up, but when I switched from non-certified PS4S to certified, I was shocked at how absurdly stiff they became.
According to the mechanic at the dealership, Porsche's certified tires have a high case rigidity to withstand the rear load, so the ride may also be stiffer. By the wayIn comparison between the 911 and Boxster with Pzero, the Boxster seems to be stiffer.(Mr. Hama-Moku)
718 and 911 owners feel that the 970 Panamera
I recently rented a 970 as a loaner car and drove my first Panamera on a mountain pass at night. I don't know the detailed condition of the car because it was a dealer loaner, but it has 55,000km, no sprockets, no PASM. It has shift buttons instead of paddles. Acceleration is good enough, my wife says.Unlike the 991.2 Carrera, it's not afraid of full acceleration.Yes.
When starting off slowly, I feel that there is a momentary lack of torque or stalling, so I am experimenting with different gas pedal work.Manual shift of PDK is slower than expected, not suitable for windingI think so. Especially when downshifting at a sudden deceleration, even if you anticipate the delay and operate before the rpm drops, it does not shift, which is disappointing in some cases. The sound of the buttons also seems to be noisy.
Here, it is better to let the AT do the work and drive with gas pedal control only. The ride is comfortable enough, but I may have raised my expectations too high beforehand. Personally, I think I would have preferred the 718 Cayman after breaking in if it was the same without PASM.(PorscheDreamer)
PASM feedback from a late 970 Panamera owner.
I'm on a late 970 (14y) 3.6L 18" with sprocket PASM.To be honest, it was sluggish until around 40,000 km. After that, however, the car is very light and comfortable, and it is now at 55,000 km.
I drive on the circuit only occasionally, and my absolute speed is not that high, but the current gas pedal response is excellent. The front end of the car is lighter than other grades, and I think it is very well balanced.(Although it is possible that it was an engine per)
My personal feeling, comparing with and without PASM, is thatWithout PASM, is it a little firmer than sports? A little firmer than sport without PASM?I usually ride in comfort for high speed cruising and in sport mode. I usually ride in Comfort for high speed cruising and in Sport for normal driving, but I think it would be better to have PASM for long distance travel. However, it is comfortable enough without PASM or fixed between Sport and Sport+.
The Cayman without PASM was stiff, but not that stiff, if that helps.(TOMO)
About PASM for the 970 Panamera PHEV
Regarding the ride quality of the 970's PASM, it can be set to three levels of comfort, sport, and sport plus. When set to Sport on the highway, the ride clearly becomes firmer and you can feel the change, but I would still say that it is a good ride.
Today, I set it to sport at 40-50 km/h on a downhill road for a test drive, but I don't feel much change in this speed range, unlike on the highway. My 970 is a PHEV, so the weight of the battery may have an effect.The level of ride comfort is good enough regardless of the PASM setting.I don't think there is anything to worry about without PASM as an option.(Mr. Ishi)
About 970 Panamera SE Hybrid and Cayenne (9YA) Hybrid
I recently test drove a Cayenne (coupe) PHEV and felt the same way I felt when I test drove a Cayenne before.Maybe I can switch from the Panamera." instead of ".I still prefer the Panamera.The feeling of "I'm not sure I can do this," crossed my mind.
The test drive course was at a different dealership from the one I usually visit, and the course was too crowded and the road too narrow, so it may not have been enough for me to feel the car's charm. Even so, the car's behavior immediately after starting was clearly more nimble and powerful than that of the 970, and I thought the motor had evolved considerably. I would like to test drive it again under better conditions.(Mr. Ishi)
What 718 Cayman owners think about the 718
I had a 718 Cayman base model (MT) until a year ago, no PASM no sprocket. As for the suspension, it was never too stiff right from the start.More supple after 20,000 km.I remember that. I had 19" summer tires and they were fine.
In SPORT mode, I think the fuel map changes because the fuel consumption changed even when running at similar RPMs with MT. Throttle response is much better in the same gear and rpm.
And indeed, acceleration below 20 km/h may be a weak point. The gear ratios are high, since the car's top speed is over 250 km/h and is covered by gears 1 through 6. As for the turbo boost, it is not effective at low speeds because the boost is not applied unless the throttle is opened very much.
On the other hand, highways should be fun; acceleration from about 70 km/h is perfect for Japanese highways.(PorcheDreamer)
About the 718 Boxster
When I owned a 718 Boxster MT in the past, I thought that the difference between when the turbo is working and when it is not working is quite large. When driving at high speeds, the difference between the two is a good thing, but in urban driving conditions, there are many situations where the car must be driven at low speeds before the turbo kicks in, and it is a pity that the 718's original qualities are not expressed in more situations.(Mr. Ishi)
About 981spyder
I tried the 718boxster-s on a test drive and the feeling was so different between the 981 and the 718 that I wondered if they were the same Porsche. I think Porsche engineers had a hard time finishing the 718 due to various regulations, and I know it is a matter of taste, but for me, the 981 gives me more adrenaline than the 718.(especially in tunnels, where large amounts are released each time)Those who have been tamed by 981 cannot shed their skin easily. Maybe they will never shed their skin...(Mr. Bricoleur)
981 Cayman owner's PASM and time to buy
In my case, since I had a closed body, I was not so interested in ventilation. If I had chosen ventilation, I would have had leather seats, and I didn't like the "sagging" that would be noticeable compared to leather + Alcantara seats.
Also, we didn't do things like go to the circuit."Riding in the city plus the occasional mountain hill road."Therefore, I took PASM for its riding comfort priority rather than the exhaust, which I care about my neighbors.(The sports chrono was chosen for occasional "buoys").
Regarding 981 CaymanI thought, "It's a Porsche, so it must be uncomfortable," but when I got in, the ride was better than a bad sedan, and it felt "moist but firm."And it is a "truly great car" that can be ridden on the street without any pain.(Effects of PASM?)I thought it was a good idea.
The 981 definitely has a better "sound" anyway.The new 718 GTS 4.0, Spyder, and GT4 will be on the market from now on, so the 981 models will drop a bit. That's when it's time to buy.I'm going to wait and see for a while while I gather information on the 4.0 GTSPDK. 981GTSPDK is 5 years old and I hope I can get it in the low 7 million yen range for commissions.(Former 981 Cayman S PDK rider)
981 owners think 981 engine sound and seat ventilation
Whether the 981 will be the last entry-level NA remains to be seen, but I doubt it will ever surpass it in terms of sound. The Ferrari is better in terms of sound height, but I personally think that that exciting sound is just right to hear when you are being overtaken from behind, rather than driving while playing it all the time.
The sound of a Porsche's horizontally opposed six-cylinder NA is one that I can drive myself and listen to for a long time while maintaining a certain level of composure.I think 981 is the highest standard among them.(Owner's favoritism notwithstanding lol)I hope the 981 will be like the Ferrari F355.
I have owned seat ventilation once; the 981's ventilation was intake-only, so I think it had less impact than the ones used by Lexus and others that have airflow, but thinking back, I turned the ventilation off after a dozen or so minutes of driving.
In other words, the sweat on my back has receded, or the back of the seat back has cooled, which I thought was evidence that it was working. However, I've rarely seen used ones with ventilation.If you're looking for a 981 in the future, you don't have to stick with this option.I think.(Mr. Ishi)
Sound quality and volume of the 981 Spyder
For me, the Spyder is also quite noisy when I accelerate off the gas pedal during spoeg-on, and when I drive in the city center and ease off the gas pedal when entering an intersection, I feel sorry that people might think the engine is broken.
I have never driven a GTS, so I don't know about pure comparisons, but perhaps there are some changes based on mileage and individual differences.
As for the Spyder's recommendations, its ride height is 1 cm higher than the GT4's!I think this 1cm will greatly affect when going down a hill at a gas station or car wash. Since the current 718 Spyder/GT4 has the same ride height (lower) and no front ride height adjustment, I honestly believe that it is quite possible to front lip the car.(Kiyo-Pon)
Cars are evaluated differently based on personal preferences.
We have been reading the comments and getting to drive a variety of cars ourselves.I guess opinions on cars vary greatly depending on personal preferences, not on what is good or bad, right or wrong.I really think, "I'm not going to be able to do this.
There is no "right answer" in terms of ride comfort, engine sound, driving feel, design, interior, and everything else, and the happiest thing would be to drive a car that you feel good about, regardless of what others say.
That's why, while we gather a lot of informationHow do you feel when you actually ride it yourself?I guess it is important to take care of I would like to continue to drive a variety of cars, regardless of make or model.
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With the 718, the ride height of the Spyder and GT4 are exactly the same. However, the lip of GT4 is a little "longer" than that of Spyder, so it may rub more easily.
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I see that you did! Thank you for letting me know!
Up until now, I have only (secretly?) enjoyed reading your articles. I have only enjoyed reading the articles, but this time, there were quite a few articles about impressions with and without PASM, so I thought I would describe my impressions in the hope that they might be of use to someone else.
I myself own a Panamera (970 3.6NA spring suspension), and I think that the ride comfort, including handling, depends more on the setting (including parts selection) than on the mechanism, such as with or without PASM.
Personally, I feel that the biggest influence on ride quality (unless the wheels are changed from the standard factory wheels of the grade in question to larger inches or the suspension is changed to an external product) is not so much the presence or absence of PASM, but the influence of simple factors such as tire selection.
As is the case with any manufacturer, not only Porsche, but all manufacturers change the selection and settings of stock suspension and wheels according to the differences in each grade (power characteristics, vehicle weight, front-rear weight distribution, etc.), and this is based on the development team's philosophy at the time of development (ex. ). From there, if the stock suspension and wheel selection is changed with options, etc., the ride quality may be different from what the development team envisioned when they tested the vehicle.
*Perhaps, but I think that for this grade, this tire, this wheel, and this suspension setting from company 0 is likely to be the best one unofficially.
I personally believe that the OEM tires installed on a new car at the time of purchase are not necessarily the best set up for the vehicle, and that changing the tires can change the ride quality considerably.
Incidentally, my 970 Panamera was sized up from the standard 18" to the stock 20" and was equipped with P Corp. certified tires when I took delivery.
"The ride and grip are reasonably good, but it feels pretty hard on manhole bumps and uneven road surfaces. Convergence is reasonably good, so it's not unpleasant."
But it was like.
I just switched to certified tires from M Corp.
The ride quality on the surface is even smoother, and the hypersensitivity to bumps and uneven surfaces has been reduced considerably, resulting in stable straight line stability. The traction and rolling are good (this may be due to the fact that it is a brand new car. (This may be due to the fact that the tires are brand new.) Is this really the same car except for the tires?"
I have experienced a change in the ride quality of about
The internal structure, compound, case rigidity, and other details differ depending on the manufacturer and tire series, so the compatibility with the car may have a significant impact on ride comfort.
Incidentally, we have now switched to the latest series of tires (still uncertified) from the same company, M. I feel that the quality of the ride has improved even further.
It is easy and effective to change the tire brand without changing the factory parts and settings while guessing (imagining?) the best settings of the development team. Personally, I think that it is easy and (depending on the choice) very effective to change the tire brand without changing the factory parts or settings while guessing (imagining?) the best settings of the development team.
I hope it will be helpful to someone in choosing a car in the future.
This is the personal opinion of a Porsche owner, and I am not a representative of the M Company.
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>I feel that the influence of simple factors such as "tire selection" is much more significant than the presence or absence of PASM.
I see...! That's very helpful!
And I knew Company M's tires were great...! (I think that's the same Company M I'm thinking of lol)
My husband often says that the M tires are great. It is hard to believe that it is the same car, but changing the tires changes the ride and comfort.
It's amazing...
Thank you so much for your very informative review!
I would be happy to learn more from you. Thank you for your continued support.