Is it true that the PDK in the Porsche Panamera has a slightly slower gearshift response?
Published on: 01.26.2019
Porsche Panamera
I have been working on a Porsche model that is called thePanameraI like the "Mere Old Man" the best. When I get to drive a Boxster or 911, or test drive a Cayenne or Cayman.(Unfortunately, I have yet to test drive a Macan, having only been allowed to ride in the back seat.)."This is a very nice car.I am impressed every time, but I always come back to the point where I say, "I still like the Panamera.
And these days I've become just a little bit more accustomed to driving a Boxster with a manual transmission.I would like to drive the Panamera as if I could shift gears by myself." and I got to drive the Panamera with paddle shifters.(though not all the time).
When driving the Panamera in normal AT mode, the car upshifts as soon as the rpm exceeds 1000 rpm, and in no time at all, the car is in 5th or 6th gear. This means that you will not be able to experience the sensation of driving a sports car, nor will you be able to hear the sound of the engine.
But that doesn't mean that "I want to drive hard, pulling at high RPMs!" But that doesn't mean that I want to drive hard.Since we have paddle shifters, let's drive with them.It's like, "I'm not sure.
Concerns of the Panamera
Basically, I love the Panamera, and I had no major complaints about it, but as I started driving it with paddle controls, one thing began to bother me. That is
Subtle slow gearshift response of the Panamera's PDK.
It is.
I think it's just "slightly slow," not insanely slow, and not slower than other companies' dual-clutch transmissions. I just think that it is not as slow as other companies' dual clutch transmissions.When I was put in the passenger seat of a 911 GT3 (991.1:PDK)I had imagined the feeling of shifting gears in a MT car, or experiencing the instantaneous "pashun-pashun" change in the PDK to...
Driving a Panamera PDK with a slightly slower response makes me feel very uncomfortable... (-_-)
That's how I told my husband, "Isn't the PDK in the Panamera slow to respond?I asked.
I know, right?I wrote about it before in my impressions of the Panamera after a year of delivery.But then again, I feel that the Panamera's PDK switches relatively quickly when I shift down a gear, but when I shift up a gear, it feels slow. However, when shifting up a gear, I sometimes feel that it is slow. 2000 rpm is relatively fast, but when shifting up a gear after 4000 rpm, it is obviously slow. I feel like I'm trying to find the right timing to shift up so that I don't get a gearshift shock.
After all, the Panamera is designed to be used as a luxury sedan.Rather than focusing on response, the emphasis is probably on smoothness with minimal shifting shock.
By the way, the last time I read an AUTOCAR article about the new Panamera GTS, it mentioned the Panamera's PDK.
And. I immediately looked at the article on the Panamera GTS that I was told about, and while it was generally highly praised, this is what it said about PDK.
One concern is that there is a slight delay when shifting the dual-clutch AT's 8-speed PDK (Porsche Doppelkupplung) with the paddles.
*Text source.First Test Drive Porsche Panamera GTS, a True Sports Car, Gains/Losses
I see...I guess that's true. My husband also said something like this.
When I test drove the new Cayenne last year, I was surprised at how excellent the Tiptro was. It was so smooth and responsive that I felt that the Tiptro was so advanced that it was faster than the PDK.I even thought that the Panamera should have been a Tiptro.
And. ."Well...I guess it's impossible to ask for a fast response from the current Panamera's PDK then.When I hear the word
If you put it in Sport mode or Sport Plus mode, the response when shifting up a gear will be somewhat faster.But I think the response is a bit slow compared to other Porsche models.
And. I see.
Sports Plus mode driving
As my husband told me.I immediately drove the car in Sport Plus mode, and sure enough, the response of the PDK was quicker, as if I were driving a different car.
That's what I'm talking about, Panamera!
And when my husband came home that day, he said to me, "Sure, when I put it in Sport Plus mode, it responds faster and is so much better! But I feel like it's a waste of time to drive in Sport Plus mode in the city...When I talk to him," he said.
If you care so much about driving the Panamera manually, why don't you just buy a 970 Panamera MT?
They said.
Pa, what's a Panamera MT...(;)
I was curious, though, so I immediately went online to check, and found that neither Carsensor nor Goo0 for Panamera with manual transmission.It was.
I can see that... (-_-)
So, although the Ashiu Driveway is too icy to drive in this season, I would like to drive Panamera with paddle shifters when the weather gets warmer and go up the Ashiu Driveway.
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I test drove a 971 Panamera 4S yesterday. There was definitely more time lag than I expected between the timing of the paddles and the actual shifting when upshifting. Personally, I would not have minded if there was no lag when downshifting, and I thought it was acceptable as it seemed to improve with upshifting in the Sport Plus mode. As your husband said, I guess it's the time it takes for the rpms to drop and match to relieve the shift shock. Then I think it would be better to use Tiptro like Cayenne (especially in hybrid models), but I'm wondering if PDK is more suitable for both luxury and sportiness.
When I test drove another 971 Sport Turismo 4 E-Hybrid before, I felt the PDK jittery at very low speeds compared to the Tiptro 970 S E-Hybrid, but the 971 4S PDK I test drove yesterday was not so bad. I think the learning effect of PDK may be a little different in each test car.
When I finished the test drive and drove my 970 in E power mode with only motor power, it felt noticeably lighter than the gasoline test car, and I was once again reminded of the power of the motor. Although I like the sound of the engine, I have come to prefer the ride quality of the motor in city driving.
Mr. Ishi.
Thank you!
>I test drove a 971 Panamera 4S yesterday.
Eh! Perhaps you are considering buying! LOL!
>Then I think a Tiptro like the Cayenne would be fine (especially for hybrid models), but I'm wondering if PDK is more suitable for both luxury and sportiness.
My husband said the same thing. He said that the Tiptronic in the Cayenne he had test-driven before was so excellent that he would be totally fine with a Panamera Tiptronic if this was the case.
Well, the evolution of Tiptro has been tremendous...
>After the test drive, when I drove my 970 in E power mode with only motor power, it felt noticeably lighter than the gasoline test car, and I was reminded once again of the power of the motor. I like the sound of the engine, but I have come to prefer the ride of the motor in city driving.
I can't believe that you, who has driven a 981 Boxster, a 718, and even a Boxster Spyder, would say that you like the ride quality of the motor better in city driving...
I guess that means it's pretty good! I think.
But it's true that driving around town in the Panamera Turbo is a bit sluggish or sleepy... but then again, driving with the paddle shifters is slightly off.
Then I felt that the hybrid's motor would be more nimble and fun.
Oh I want to test drive a hybrid too (lol)
Mina.
No, no, no, I'm not going to buy a new one just yet. However, I would like to test drive various grades of Panamera if I have a chance, with a view to buying a new one in 3 to 6 years time.
I prefer motors for city driving because I believe that, to be more precise, engines need to be revved, and I still like to enjoy city driving in a safe speed range with a non-Porsche engine revving at high rpm as much as I do with a motor. I think it is good to drive a large displacement engine with ample torque in a relaxed and quiet manner, but if I want to enjoy city driving in that direction, I would prefer a motor.
The Panamera hybrid is good. At first it showed 16km as the possible range on electric power even with a full tank of electric power, but recently it shows a little over 20km, and it actually runs that long. 971 seems to run a little longer distance on electric power alone.
Mr. Ishi.
>No, no, no, I'm not going to buy a new one just yet. However, I would like to test drive various grades of Panamera if I have a chance, with a view to replacing it in 3 to 6 years time.
Oh, I see! Certainly, if we can test drive various Panameras now, we will be able to make the best choice when the time comes.
I would be happy to continue to learn about your impressions of the various test drives, etc.
>To be a little more precise, I believe that the engine has to be revved, so although I am not a Porsche, I still like to enjoy city driving at a safe speed range with an unpowered engine revving at high rpm as much as I do with a motor.
Oh, I see...thank you very much...I see...I can enjoy riding around town in a relaxed manner with a motor, and it has a different flavor. I am more and more curious about it.
If you can get 20k miles on the motor in city driving, that's plenty...I'd love to write an article about the differences between the 971 and the 970 Panamera Hybrid (I'd have to test drive both for that...lol).
Mina.
I was curious after reading the article and gave it a little try. (I hardly used it...) I think the response of PDK is indeed slow. I would like to try PDK on my 911.
I have been waiting for Panamera in the garage for about 10 days because of snow and cold. By the way, the tires are Pirelli all weather tires. But I think I will not be using them much for a while, because I think I will damage my car more from the large amount of snow-melting chemicals spread on the road and from the many potholes that occur in winter.
Mr. Ishi.
The lightness of the motor is really something else, isn't it? I can understand why you would want to keep the car in E mode when driving around town. My recent doubts are that the battery is consumed very quickly due to the cold temperatures, especially right after starting the car, and that the cruising range is not quite the 50 km that Porsche claims, but only 30 km at the best of efforts. The battery will run out of power very quickly, especially right after starting because of the cold temperatures, and the range is only about 30 km at best, not quite the 50 km range that Porsche claims. I wonder how much it will improve when it gets warmer... I guess it can't be helped since there is a lot of extra electricity used for heating, heated seats, and so on.
Mr. SN.
>I was curious after reading the article and gave it a little try. (I hardly used it...) I think PDK's response is indeed slow.
Thank you for actually trying it out (LOL!)!
It's true that you don't really need PDK for city driving...if that's the case, I think it would be better to drive a MT in the first place.
But is the 911 PDK different? I'm curious about a lot of things!
Japan is experiencing a cold wave right now, but the cold wave in Michigan looks to be horrendous...
Sure, there are some track experiences that run Porsches on ice, so I'm sure they'll be fine, but think about the car and the tires.
I don't really feel like running willingly...
I can't wait for warmer weather!
Mr. SN.
Driving with E power is really habit-forming. The motor mileage of the 970 is 32 to 33km of the catalog value, while mine currently shows 20km on a full charge, which is about 60% of the catalog value. SN-san's 971 is also about 60% of the catalog value and seems to be about the same. I think that the catalog value is the same as the fuel consumption of a gasoline car. However, even though the display shows 20km, if I release the accelerator pedal or apply the brake, the battery is recharged during driving, so I feel that the car actually runs a little longer distance.